Zh-l10n-2000

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[zh-l10n] zh_TW.Big5 的 PO 檔以及 gmo 檔下載位置
by shyue＠sonoma.com.tw 22 Aug '00

22 Aug '00

Hi there, 弟剛剛對 i18n 翻譯計劃加了一個東西, 用來每天把所有翻譯完成的 PO 檔轉變成 gmo 檔, 並包裝成一個 tar-ball 以供下載. 請利用 http://i18n.linux.org.tw/zh_TW.Big5-locale.tar.gz http://i18n.shyue.idv.tw/zh_TW.Big5-locale.tar.gz http://shyue.sonoma.com.tw/zh_TW.Big5-locale.tar.gz ftp://i18n.linux.org.tw/pub/zh-locale/zh_TW.Big5-locale.tar.gz ftp://cle.linux.org.tw/pub/CLE/devel/shyue/zh-locale/zh_TW.Big5-locale.tar.gz rsync -azv --port=888 -e ssh i18n.linux.org.tw::i18n-locale/ 下載 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ~ Jing-Jong Shyue (薛景中) 'v' E-Mail : shyue(a)sonoma.com.tw // \\ CLDP Project : http://www.linux.org.tw/CLDP/ (Translator) /( )\ CLE Project : http://cle.linux.org.tw/CLE/ ^`~'^ I18N Translate: http://i18n.linux.org.tw/ (Coordinator) 站　在　巨　人　的　肩　膀　向　前　眺　望

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[zh-l10n] 如何取得 POT 檔
by 方俊智 13 Aug '00

13 Aug '00

這是轉錄自 gnome-i18n mailing list 的信, 希望對有興趣的人有點幫助 Message: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:31:22 +0000 (GMT) From: root <root(a)pc96.ma.rhbnc.ac.uk> To: zhaoway <zw(a)zhaoway.com> Cc: gnome-i18n(a)gnome.org Subject: Re: howto get pot files On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, zhaoway wrote: > please how can i get pot files in a > easy way? i want to help the zh_CN > pot translation. Afaik, currently you need to download (CVS) the whole source tree of the application you need to translate and create an updated .po to check the messages. For example, for gnome-core 1. setenv CVSROOT ':pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome' 2. cvs login (press enter for password) 3a. cvs -z3 checkout gnome-core (if it's the first time you grab gnome-core) [SEVERAL MBs downloaded] 3b. cvs -z3 update -Pd gnome-core (if you have already an older version of gnome-core) [SEVERAL MBs downloaded] 4. cd gnome-core/po 5. ./update.sh (this creates an updated gnome-core.pot) 6. ./update.sh zh_CN (this creates an updated zh_CN.po, you use this for translations) On (6), if there is no already a zh_CN.po file, it does not work. You need to copy gnome-core.pot to zh_CN.po, set the fields of the header and translate. Suppose that there was a cron application that every day went to each gnome-PACKAGE/po/ and updated at least the gnome-PACKAGE.pot. Downloading just gnome-PACKAGE.pot and the previous translation of zh_CN.po, you could do the updates with just those two files. You would then do: (suppose you already logged on CVS) % cvs -z3 checkout gnome-core/po/gnome-core.pot % cvs -z3 checkout gnome-core/po/zh_CN.po % cd gnome-core/po % msgmerge --strict --verbose -o `date "+%d%h%y-"`zh_CN.po zh_CN.po gnome-core.pot In this case, you update the 11Aug2000-zh_CN.po file and submit it. To be extra cool with the "version" field of the .po file you just translated, you would also need to do: % cvs -z3 checkout gnome-core/configure.in In this file, it says the exact new version of the gnome package. (It is not updated automatically from the update procedure). Alternatively, the cron daemon could run the "update.sh" script for all languages and all packages every day so that you would just need to download one file per package, namely zh_CN.po. Even better, since the file is then available, one could link it to http://www.gnome.org/i18n/release/status.shtml, so that with just the browser you could download, update and submit. All these are nice with two gotchas: a. You need a lot of experience to be able to translate the messages without having access to the program/source code. Brings down quality? b. Automatic updates could possibly make translations a moving target. The msgmerge program could destroy some .po files. This needs some testing to verify. HIH, simos --__--__-- _______________________________________________ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n(a)gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n -- XLinux Inc. System Engineer 南方四劍客 mailto:michael@xlinux.com

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[zh-l10n] KDE2 release schedule
by Chih-Wei Huang 06 Aug '00

06 Aug '00

剛剛在 KDE 網站上看到 KDE2 的 release schedule, 其中提到說在 Aug 10 將會 put CVS read-only, 換句話說，在這以後除了一些重量級的 maintainer 之外其它人無法再 commit 東西進去了。這可有點兒傷腦筋。有沒有人要來翻譯 KDE2 的 menu 的，請出個聲。不過動作要快，不然就來不及送進去了。不確定 po 檔及文件檔的翻譯是否也在 read-only 之列。照理說應該不會才對... See http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/release-schedule.html -- ~ Chih-Wei Huang (cwhuang) 'v' E-Mail : cwhuang(a)linux.org.tw // \\ CLDP Project : http://www.linux.org.tw/CLDP/ (Coordinator) /( )\ CLE Project : http://cle.linux.org.tw/CLE/ (Developer) ^`~'^ HomePage : http://www.linux.org.tw/~cwhuang/pub/

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[zh-l10n] 新的線上字典
by shyue＠sonoma.com.tw 05 Aug '00

05 Aug '00

Hi there, 本站的"名詞對照"中加入了由譯點通所提供的 Dr. Eye 免費線上字典，共有約 40 萬字的字庫，以後應該可以查到相當多的字彙了!! ------------------------------------------------------------------- ~ Jing-Jong Shyue (薛景中) 'v' E-Mail : shyue(a)sonoma.com.tw // \\ CLDP Project : http://www.linux.org.tw/CLDP/ (Translator) /( )\ CLE Project : http://cle.linux.org.tw/CLE/ ^`~'^ I18N Translate: http://i18n.linux.org.tw/ (Coordinator) 站　在　巨　人　的　肩　膀　向　前　眺　望

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!! Unicode API 研討會 !! 開始報名囉!
by ARMANI.bbs＠bbs.cynix.com.tw 05 Aug '00

05 Aug '00

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[zh-l10n] Call for discussion
by shyue＠sonoma.com.tw 17 Jul '00

17 Jul '00

Hi there, 關於網站上 PO 檔的版本紀錄似乎滿容易造成誤解, 弟在此作一個說明並請大家提供建議. 目前的版本紀錄是直接取用 KDE 以及 Gnome CVS Tree 中的版本紀錄, 所以當各位想要編譯程式時可能會找不到該版本的 release. 弟之所以會取用這個方式主要是為了簡化弟的工作而做的. 如果弟要使用 release 中的 PO 檔的話, 弟勢必要常常的手動更新資料, 而採用 CVS 則可以每天自動的更新. 而且使用 release 的話, 我們將永遠在追著別人跑, 每當 KDE 或 Gnome 官方釋放套件時, 永遠都是舊的 PO 檔. 之前有人提過我們是否要必要根的這麼緊? 弟認為在 CVS 中的變動通常都是少量多次, 追著 release 的話, 則是一次一大堆. 每天做一點似乎比一次要改一大堆來的輕鬆.... 以上是弟一些粗淺的想法, 請各位幫忙提供一些意見, 確立紀錄的方式. ------------------------------------------------------------------- ~ Jing-Jong Shyue (薛景中) 'v' E-Mail : shyue(a)sonoma.com.tw // \\ CLDP Project : http://www.linux.org.tw/CLDP/ (Translator) /( )\ CLE Project : http://cle.linux.org.tw/CLE/ ^`~'^ I18N Translate: http://i18n.linux.org.tw/ (Coordinator) 站　在　巨　人　的　肩　膀　向　前　眺　望

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[zh-l10n] OSW2k 的資料
by shyue＠sonoma.com.tw 28 Jun '00

28 Jun '00

Hi there, 弟剛剛大略把準備在 OSW'00 上用的投影片整理出來了, 放在 http://i18n.linux.org.tw/OSW2k/index.shtml 請各位幫忙提供一點意見. Shyue

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[zh-l10n] Re: coordinator
by François Pinard 22 Jun '00

22 Jun '00

[Patrick D'Cruze] > [...] as Pofeng mentions in his email, there may be political consequences > of using Taiwanese resources/mailing list to develop ZH support for > GNU/Linux. One problem is that the Translation Project publishes one team address per team. Whatever the address we use, the other party might be unhappy. If technical stunts are avoidable, I would prefer this. But if avoiding technical stunts create endless problems or irritation, better swallow the snake and do whatever need to be done. However, I hope to think that political problems are not so big that we need technical stunts around them. After all, we are here to collaborate to a planetary project, not to fight each other... > Hmm. I'm not sure what the best solution is. Patrick, if you are available to discuss the matter with Chinese people, I will be more than happy to not play the intermediary between the Chinese team and Linux International, as this only slows down discussions. I will comply, of course, to the solution you will all come up. Keep happy, all! -- FranÃ§ois Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard

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[zh-l10n] Re: coordinator
by François Pinard 22 Jun '00

22 Jun '00

[Pofeng Lee] > I am going to resign from the coordinator ( the team leader ). And Mr > Shyue will take this job. [...] What else we should do ? OK, I made the changes in the TP registry. Please check: http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/team-zh.html and tell me if I goofed in any way. > But I think we can set up a mailing list gateway between zh(a)li.org & > zh-l10n(a)li.org.tw to avoid political problem :-) . Patrick, would you have `zh(a)li.org' forward into `zh-l10n(a)li.org.tw'? Doing so, messages sent to `zh(a)li.org' will be seen by `zh-l10n(a)li.org.tw' members. But if you also manage to send `zh-l10n(a)li.org.tw' into `zh(a)li.org', I presume loops might occur unless special dispositions are taken to avoid such problems. Could current `zh(a)li.org' members subscribe into `zh-l10n(a)li.org.tw'? > There is an interesting relationship between Mainland China & Taiwan. > I am afraid that if we change the address, some people would get upset > about that. Before that, I would stay on zh(a)li.org & zh-l10n(a)linux.org.tw. Things are not fully set up, currently in the Translation Project, for having many official addresses for a single team, but if it just cannot be avoided, I could dive into the robot code and try to manage something. Thing would be much simpler if we had a single official address for the team. May we try using the new email address for a while, and see how translators react? I presume everybody will understand that no offence is intended? Is that workable, and acceptable? -- FranÃ§ois Pinard http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard

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[zh-l10n] Welcome to zh
by Majordomo＠li.org 21 Jun '00

21 Jun '00

-- Welcome to the zh mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to <Majordomo(a)li.org> with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe zh or from another account, besides to-zh-l10n(a)linux.org.tw: unsubscribe zh to-zh-l10n(a)linux.org.tw If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to <owner-zh(a)li.org> . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: Hello! Welcome to the Chinese translators team. We need people, like you, who are ready to *work* in collaboration with us in translating messages into Chinese for GNU programs, and maybe other Linux programs as well. We collectively seek high quality translations for Chinese, using a common terminological basis which we'll develop as we go. You offer us a good knowledge of Chinese, an open mind, and teamwork skills. We are happy to have you with us! But if, while just wandering around, you subscribed by mistake, and do not feel like being an active member of our team, please unsubscribe yourself by sending a message to <zh-request(a)li.org>, with the word: unsubscribe in the body of the message. We're aiming to keep the lists focused on active development and workers - and besides our list server is already pretty over-loaded. I hope you understand our policy. If you decide to stay with us, please introduce yourself to the other members of the team by writing to <zh(a)li.org>, explaining why and how you are interested in helping, telling your strong and weak points, so everybody will feel more ready to talk with you how the work should be split, and shared.

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